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tenebraecious) wrote2019-12-18 04:29 pm
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Awwright, I'm in the mood for a ~question meme~ for Glacies and John Doe! Let's go back and forth until we're exhausted from words. I will also accept thread planning and CR plotting, because I've been remiss on that front, oops.
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Question 1 - CR for Glacies and Ardyn because I stalk them. They are so good.
Question 2 - CR for Emet-Selch and Glacies.
(also if I want emet to text Glacies where should I do that?)
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I want to be like really composed and articulate on Glacies and Absinthe, but that is near impossible because of how much is going on between them, so you get the full ramble, yep.
Overall, she is positive towards him with the understanding there are a lot of hang-ups involved. Right now, she is trying her best to engage with the person presented before her, rather than the five million issues she has heard or knows of. She wants to get to know him and see the good in him before she confronts all that has gone wrong with or because of him. Glacies has more or less heard the reasoning behind why Absinthe did most of what he did back home which makes it hard for her to judge him, especially when she recently got back her biggest axe to grind with what went down back home. To her, he was doing what he could in order to meet a particular end. The situation was unfair, and he was managing. Granted, he could have found another way about it, but there isn't anything to be done about remonstrating him for what he's done; she can effect what he is going to do a lot more than she can what he did. Also, no one responds well to someone lecturing them on what they should do without establishing a strong personal bond first. She does get that she is not making the strongest connection she can without facing his actions, but she also doesn't want to prematurely have The Talk, especially when she is lacking a lot of context, then have to keep revisiting it with more and more outrage. The big hot button issues that will probably push her to confront him will be the death of her mother, the destruction of Insomnia, and her death being a tool to enrage Noctis.
She also has a lot to find out about from what he's done in Imeeji which has less excuses, and she will probably be more upset about it. Granted, his actions had a bigger effect back home, but there was a lot of (horrible, no good) logic behind it. In Imeeji, that excuse doesn't fly as far. Glacies is not going to be okay with signing off on his actions without the attempt being made to try anything else first. Again, she sees his future actions as infinitely more malleable than his past ones, so what he does when she is present or when she knew what situation he had going on at that point is going to get a lot more questions.
Then, I got sidetracked trying to figure out XV lore . . . So, I need to come back to this at not 4AM. Please, hold.
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God, okay, I will say that her decision to not give too much credit to his reputation came from her trying to deceive him on their first meeting and, well, it just didn't work out! She didn't like the feeling that came from trying to play him, and he was too practiced with it, so she just has decided to be very forthcoming with him. Even when she sees that she is posing a threat to his own aims, Glacies has come straight out and said that she is without any heat to it. It helps that the Absinthe reaction to half of her bullshit is just to sigh and shrug. He is really indulging of her! Glacies takes all her memories with him, to be perfectly honest with him on what she knows, and she invites him over for tea, and she just treats him like a friend. Hell, she stabbed him, and he did a lot more to help her as she was freaking out than she did for him.
Honestly, he kind of is a mentor, too! As she learns more about herself and her world, she can see where her destiny is paralleling his, so she really has no one else but him to learn from to try and make her go of it better. She doesn't know that they are both the only functioning humans with scourge, but she wouldn't be surprised if they were. It certainly seemed a surprise to Thorn and Cobalt when she talked to them. The fact they share such common points of history and identity ties right back into making it hard to chastise him for his behavior. What is she going to say when some odd years down the road she could be doing the exact same thing?
ANYWAY, WORDS WORDS WORDS. Glacies is fairly positive on Absinthe! She has the potential to get very steamed at him, but it comes from a place of compassion rather than disgust! And she got to give him a hug and no one died, super great!!
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She is very cautious about his relationship with Absinthe. Glacies can tell there is some connection, but anyone who knows anything about Absinthe knows they can't really be sure where they stand with him. Glacies is certain that she is pretty important to him, but she also knows it is less on a personal level, more to do with what she is. To her, betraying Absinthe's trust is really a heavy weight, but she can also see that Absinthe gave her freedom to share whatever she wants about him with anyone. The understanding being that what he may find difficult to share, she may share for him. Granted, he probably thinks that he isn't telling her any damn thing . . . But he can think what he wants, and she will just read between the lines, thank you very much. So, there is a pressure to give Emet enough bread crumbs to strengthen his own connection with Absinthe. It's a very delicate balancing game between her reservations, her wish to protect all involved, and the character of all of them.
In summary, Glacies has some reservations, but she is pushing herself to trust him. There is something worthwhile there, and she doesn't intend to miss it.
OKAY, FIRST, TALK TO ME ABOUT EMET AND GLACIES, KTHX.
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It was really good of Glacies to be wary of Emet-Selch, because he absolutely was going to use her to learn more about Absinthe, and it became quickly apparent that she was going to make him do his own research. So she got a few begrudging respect points for that. That is someone who is reliable.
In the GM game, he was not lying when he said he trusted her. 1) She seems the person who when she says she is going to do something, she will indeed do it, and 2) She generally seems like a person who is caring of the lives placed in front of her. #2 is probably what got him to respect her more. It's the attitude he would like to have, but he keeps falling back into his own cannon headspace of everyone else are not real people so there is no point in caring about the masses. It's been a few lifetimes and habits are hard to break. While he realizes he will never have that attitude, he will always respect those that do.
I find it amusing that both of them have come to the conclusion of 'be very careful with Absinthe's trust'. He's quite sure that once that particular bond is broken it will be impossible to repair. On the flip side, he also knows of Absinthe's goal, and he does not like it. He does not like it one bit! It is a monumental waste of effort for no gain whatsoever, and it will do him no favors. However, doing anything about it seems complicated and he's got enough on his place, so he's putting it aside for now.
Curing and figuring out the mess that is Absinthe's soul, however, seems like both an intriguing puzzle and a boon to him. So that has his current attention. He was very surprised to see that Glacies also suffered the same illness, though he's not quite sure if they are the same. He is curious to see if her soul is also corrupted (thank you dream powers!). He would genuinely like to see her cured without the reliance on these gods of hers. Also before all that crazy stuff happened to him and his people, they were a group of scholars, and he hasn't been presented with such an intriguing puzzle in a long time.
So a lot of Glacies CR is still wrapped around Absinthe CR, but he definitely sees her as her own person with wants and desires and hopes. He will pick and choose which of these he will assist, as he sees no reason for her not to live a long and happy life after this whole Hell ordeal. He's mildly invested in seeing that happen which for someone outside of BARiTONES is quite a feat.
For both John and Glacies, do they have any idea what they plan to do if presented with graduation?
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Glacies is and will always lean towards going back home immediately with no catch. She has a lot of work, and she has been slotted as one of those key pivotal people in how things shake out in her world, so she can't really ignore it. For me and her, that time will likely come after she's shown some growth on par to what the alternate end to her canon gave us and also whenever she completely fuck-owns Absinthe into getting off his bullshit. Glacies would, of course, like to remain and help everyone else out where she can, but she also knows that people who know her and care for her would understand that she has a lot of other things on her plate, so she can't really stick around for any longer than she truly has to.
And, now, it is time to talk to me about Absinthe and Emet.
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Absinthe is probably the person he is most comfortable around. Their banter is engaging, he's mellow enough to just let things be, and he's surprising calming to be around. Now he knows a lot of this is an act, but oh, well, he's taking it.
Absinthe will always have his respect for what he did with the Starscourge before his imprisonment --- that selfless sacrifice. It reminds him of his people and how they sacrificed themselves for each other, and he has such deep awe and almost reverence for that. So even if they were to have a falling out, Absinthe will always have his respect. He will be placed on par with his people which Emet has nothing but love, appreciation, and awe for.
However, Absinthe's stated goal of revenge is just plain dumb. To put all that effort, all that planning, all the grit for what? When it's over, he'll be no happier than he was before. Worse yet, he wants to go to his grave shortly after. If he isn't going to find peace or solace or some amount of world where he is happy after the fact, then there is no point. He won't tell him that to his face because at the end of the day it is Asbsinthe's choice. Absinthe is smart, he weighed the options, and while he believes he came to the wrong conclusions he won't bully him about it.
Emet-Selch also as sees a lot of parallels in himself compared to Absinthe. A worldwide tragedy, a betrayal, and then being thrown into a world that doesn't seem your own. He's pretty sure if he was in Absinthe's shoes he just would have stopped, simply put. So he can't really begrudge him his desire to end it. It fortifies just how lucky he was to have his two companions even if they didn't necessarily always get along. He always had them. He can't imagine attempting it alone. (Subsequently it also just fortifies his horror that out of the three of them only Elidibus is left, and Elidibus will absolutely break under it all.)
He also can't imagine being imprisoned unable to die for two thousand years in isolation. That almost chills to the bone more than the state of his soul which is a mess! A mess and something that looks exceedingly painful. Honestly, he really did start his research on the Starscourge to cure Absinthe's soul. No one deserves that. The fact that he blights other souls is really quite sickening to him --- another huge strike against the pointless revenge --- and if it could be cured, it would be better for everyone involved on the planet. This is why he approached Glacies to see if he could give her a tool to fight the Starscourge as farfetched as finding an actual solution is. He knows a cure will undermine Absinthe, but he can't in good faith not try to find a cure. He will still use it for a rejoining, but that excuse was mostly for Absinthe.
Emet-Selch has come to the conclusion that he can't really do it anything for Absinthe that will have much impact. So he has decide to see if he can at least give Absinthe some semblance of joy before he goes off and does his revenge. He's not arrogant enough to think he can make him happy, but a pocket of good memories here or there wouldn't go amiss and he certainly has earned it.
Outside of his horrible circumstances that is FFXV, he genuinely likes him! His dry humor, his wit, and Emet-Selch does derive a lot of comfort from Absinthe. Of the people he's told about his goals, he wasn't worried that Absinthe would be upset by it. He finds great joy in the banter they have back and forth. He can definitely push more boundaries than he can with anyone else. Also despite being a decaying zombie, somehow Absinthe's physical presence is a comfort which Emet-Selch isn't sure why, but just accepts it all the same. Absinthe is also incredibly frustrating at times, but that is part of his charm. He's a delightful puzzle!
So to contrast Absinthe and Glacies. Absinthe represents the comfort at the end of a very bad day where all you want to do is blanket burrito. Glacies is the inspiration, the goodwill towards others that makes you want to get up in the morning and appreciate the day.
It's weird. Not sure how it came to this, but here it is.
For both John and Glacies, if they had to yeet one unit from existence, which unit would it be and why?
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Glacies would also lean towards Zrael. It isn't for lack of love, though she is light on CR with them as well, but they have caused a lot of problems that she can see and not help with whereas she is actually working and engaging Baritones. If Zrael wasn't really, really Zrael, she would probably be looking towards power sets that make her really wary. The issue is that the people can't be divorced from the powers available to them, so it would be a game of balancing who can she live with dooming to some unknowable end versus how much does she not trust anyone to ever have this ability. Given enough time and awareness of what is going on, she would absolutely switch to Baritones, though. Y'all are collective assholes, and you need to stop that.
I have not done a single solitary MMO since Ragnarok. Sell me on XIV. Also, I have spent 500+ hours in Don't Starve if that helps in the selling process.